Justin and Jason discuss Peldi’s success with Balsamiq, the site Indie Hackers, the book Crossing the Chasm, Justin’s launch strategy for his secret project, how Justin got help with his “maths”, the advantage of growing slowly and focusing on developing a product that your users love, the summer Math Academy course that Jason is teaching on proofs and group theory, Justin’s desire to encourage entrepreneurship in any company he starts, and tradeoffs in database design.