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Chapters

0:00 - Welcome to the Juice Media Podcast

0:10 - HGA - The Machine

1:24 - Introducing our guests

3:37 - The Australian Response

6:16 - The COVID Safe App

13:15 - App Skepticism

16:40 - App as Security Theatre

19:41 - The Stimulus

23:50 - Groups excluded from the stimulus

29:00 - Modern Monetary Theory

35:51 - Class and COVID

38:14 - More Curves to Flatten?

39:37 - Wrap-up Headlines

40:06 - Digital Rights

43:10 - Relaxing Restrictions

44:29 - Austerity Redux

47:37 - Outro