Tim Grover is a mental and physical performance coach. Tim joins the Armchair Expert to talk about training athletes like Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant, how his parents really wanted him to be a doctor, and what he's learned over the years about defining what winning means. Tim and Dax discuss the difference between the physical and mental aspects of being a great athlete, his perspective on The Last Dance documentary, and that waking up at 4 am to work out isn't for everybody. Tim explains that being selfish to work on yourself is not a negative trait, how people can achieve greatness by taking it step-by-step, and what Dennis Rodman would eat before every basketball game. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.