Robert Mugabe has been the leader of Zimbabwe as long as there has been a Zimbabwe. Having once proclaimed that “only God will remove me,” he resigned as president on Tuesday after nearly four decades in power. Will he be remembered as a tyrant, or as a hero? Guest: Jeffrey Gettleman, who was East Africa bureau chief of The New York Times for more than a decade. For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily.

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