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Colleen shipped the Geocodio CLI (with a Claude Code agent skill!) and Michele had a nightmare about Figma. That's kind of the vibe this week. We also talk about what it's like building AI tools, when Claude decides to stop working, and which AI tools we reach for day to day. Plus, Michele's organizing a Larabelles event at Laracon US to help more women and non-binary folks feel welcome at tech conferences, and Colleen has some strong opinions about what actually works. Also discussed: Ghosts (BBC version), Ted Lasso, and going to the gym. You know, our normal weird stuff.
Guardrails, Guts, and AI at the Pool
We get into the messy reality of putting guardrails around AI tooling across a team: shared skills repos, documenting design decisions, and why Claude still needs to be managed like a very smart intern. We swap stories about AI taking over every conversation (yes, even bachelorette parties in Austin), debate whether junior devs should learn without AI first, and Colleen talks about hiring a sales coach who teaches her exactly what she teaches others. Plus: why we're so bullish on in-person events right now, and Michele talks about the why they waited 8 years to hire anyone, and why you can't separate feelings from good decision-making.
We're baaaaaack! And more chaotic than ever
Michele and Colleen are back on the mics! We talked about our recent lives, burnout recovery, AI tooling, and the evolving landscape of content creation and marketing automation. Oh, and Colleen lets the power guy in halfway through.
Colleen & Michele are back on the mics! (For today, at least)
After two years off-air, Michele and Colleen finally sit down together in front of the mics.Links:SaaS Marketing GymTinySeed Tales with Colleen are being released every Thursday on Startups for the Rest of Us!
It passed the House! Now what?
The tax deal that includes a retroactive fix for domestic R&D expensing through 2025 passed the House! Now what?
174 Update: Call Congress! Now!
"Hi, I'm a constituent in your district. Please tell the Representative to support HR 7024." That's all you have to say! Find your Rep's phone number: https://ssballiance.org/
174 ALL-POINTS BULLETIN
Time to call both of your Senators and your Representative to get fixing 174 on the priorities before the end of the year. This is especially critical if you're in: Idaho Illinois Kentucky Montana New York Ohio Oregon Pennsylvania South Dakota Tennessee Washington Look up their phone numbers: https://ssballiance.org/
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Section 174 Update: Sign the new letter!
Sign the National Association of Manufacturers letter! https://ssballiance.org/
Can the R&D Tax Credit Offset the Section 174 Changes?
The R&D Tax Credit still exists, and it might be able to help you offset the Section 174 changes. Michele talks to R&D Tax Credit expert Jonathan Cardella of Strike Tax Advisory to learn more. Learn more: What is the R&D Tax Credit? IRS R&D Tax Credit rules Please note: This podcast is for informational purposes only and is not tax advice. Talk to your tax preparer for advice about your specific situation.
The letter to Congress has been sent! Here's what comes next.
CNBC article: https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/18/software-firms-face-huge-tax-bills-that-threaten-tech-startup-survival.htmlPolitico Morning Tax: https://twitter.com/mjwhansen/status/1648329709774684165
Keep Calm and Carry On
Michele gives another update on the Section 174 effort and chats with Tyler Tringas and Arvid Kahl. Huge thanks to Justin Jackson and Corey Haines for sending out the letter to their newsletters! Subscribe to their newsletters:Corey's newsletter: https://www.corey.co/Justin's newsletter: https://justinjackson.ca/newsletter
Numbers Update + Chat with Landon and Kyle
Numbers update on the letter to Congress + crossover with Made with Grit.
It's me, hi. It's the problem, it's Section 174
An update from Michele on what she and Colleen have been doing for the past few months, and an urgent call to action to sign the Small Software Business Alliance Coalition letter to Congress: https://ssballiance.org/Tweet thread FAQ on Section 174: https://twitter.com/mjwhansen/status/1640696365637419008