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144: Kotlin Coroutines with Marcin Moskala
Today we go back to our programming language roots with author, KT Academy founder, and Kotlin rockstar Marcin Moskala. We talk about how Kotlin makes itself doubly useful for app and backend development. 00:00:55 Introductions00:01:38 Java frustrations 00:09:37 Why a well-organized typing system is important00:11:59 What Kotlin is00:14:58 Obsidian 00:20:13 Learning new things can be a prudent future investment00:23:46 A pleasant coding experience00:26:41 Co-routines in Kotlin00:34:37 Where co-routines are best in app development00:44:54 Thread balancing in practice00:57:39 Kotlin’s integrated cancellation mechanism01:05:10 Getting started with Kotlin01:18:16 FarewellsResources mentioned in this episode:Marcin Moskala: Website: https://marcinmoskala.com/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/marcinmoskala KT Academy: https://kt.academy/ Kotlin Learning Resources Marcin on KT: https://kt.academy/user/marcinmoskala Kotlin Coroutines: https://leanpub.com/coroutines Effective Kotlin: https://leanpub.com/effectivekotlin Functional Kotlin (Early Access): https://leanpub.com/kotlin_functional More Kotlin Publications on Leanpub Information Organization Tools WorkFlowy: https://workflowy.com/ Obsidian: https://obsidian.md/ If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.comYou can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
143: The Evolution of Search with Marcus Eagan
Finding something online might seem easy - but as Marcus Eagan tells it, it’s not easy to get it right. In today’s episode, MongoDB’s Staff Product Manager on Atlas Search speaks with Jason and Patrick about his own journey in software development and how to best use search engines to capture user intent. 00:00:34 Introductions00:01:30 Marcus’s unusual origin story00:05:10 Unsecured IoT devices00:09:56 How security groupthink can compromise matters00:12:48 The Target HVAC incident00:17:32 Business challenges with home networks00:21:51 Damerau-Levenshtein edit distance factor ≤ 200:23:58 How do people who do search talk about search00:30:35 Inferring human intent before they intend it00:46:13 Ben Horowitz00:47:32 Seinfeld as an association exercise00:52:27 What Marcus is doing at MongoDB00:58:30 How MongoDB can help at any level01:01:00 Working at MongoDB01:08:14 FarewellsResources mentioned in this episode: Marcus Eagan: Website: https://marcussorealheis.medium.com The Future of Search Is Semantic & Lexical: https://marcussorealheis.medium.com/the-future-of-search-is-semantic-and-lexical-e55cc9973b63 13 Hard Things I Do To Be A Dope Product Manager: https://marcussorealheis.medium.com/13-hard-things-i-do-to-be-a-dope-database-product-manager-7064768505f8 Github: https://github.com/MarcusSorealheis Twitter: https://twitter.com/marcusforpeace MongoDB: Website: https://www.mongodb.com/ Atlas: https://www.mongodb.com/cloud/atlas/register Careers: https://www.mongodb.com/careers Others: Damerau-Levenshtein distance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damerau%E2%80%93Levenshtein_distance Lucene: https://lucene.apache.org/core/ Target HVAC Incident (2014, Archive Link): https://archive.is/Wnwob Mergify:Website: https://mergify.com/ If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/ Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.com You can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
142: Data Ops with Douwe Maan
Douwe Maan’s journey sounds too fantastic to be true, yet the tale that Meltano’s founder shares with Jason and Patrick today is very, very real. Whether it’s about doing software development by 11, joining Gitlab while juggling college responsibilities, or building his own company during today’s challenging times, he has quite the story to tell. In today’s episode, he speaks on Twitter, his perspective on remote work, and why data operations are a critical part of developer stacks in today’s world.00:01:00 Introductions00:03:44 Hustling online at 1100:08:08 From iOS to web-based development00:10:20 How Douwe balanced school and work00:12:05 Sid Sijbrandij00:19:13 Why Twitter was integral in Douwe’s journey00:21:01 What Meltano offers for data teams00:22:01 Remote work00:30:59 Gitlab’s data team and what they do00:44:40 What tools do data engineers use00:47:40 Singer00:50:26 Game designer travails00:58:59 Where data operations come in01:05:12 Getting started with Meltano01:12:00 Meltano as a company01:22:09 FarewellsResources mentioned in this episode:Douwe Maan: Website: https://douwe.me/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/douwem GitLab: https://github.com/DouweM Meltano: Website: https://meltano.com/ Careers: https://boards.greenhouse.io/meltano Singer:Website: https://www.singer.io/ Mergify:Website: https://mergify.com/ If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.comYou can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
141: Social Gaming with Chip Morningstar
00:01:03 Introductions00:04:47 Mojovision00:06:07 Chips’ storied journey00:11:06 Project Xanadu00:18:45 Getting into Lucasfilm00:31:31 Artificial Intelligence in games00:39:48 GTA MP01:00:10 How the game industry drives people01:08:29 Agoric and its niche in the blockchain01:20:12 Javascript’s securability01:22:46 Working with Agoric01:32:20 What skills Agoric’s team looks for01:35:31 Chip’s parting thoughts01:37:00 FarewellsResources mentioned in this episode:Chip Morningstar:Twitter: https://twitter.com/epopt Agoric: Website: https://agoric.com/ Careers: https://agoric.com/careers/ Habitat Chronicles:Website: http://habitatchronicles.com/ If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.comYou can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
140: Developer Burnout and Infrastructure as Code with Ronak Rahman
00:00:57 Introductions00:01:51 How Ronak got started in programming00:06:03 The first encounter with burnout00:11:49 Double-edged benefits00:17:23 Spoon theory00:19:07 Why relationship clarity matters00:25:11 A cold room story00:30:59 Context switching’s relevance00:35:45 QTorque’s solution to monitor cloud automation costs00:39:19 Setting up lifetimes00:42:17 Bom lists00:49:19 How Quali helps with the challenges00:54:40 What to do to actualize your true self00:58:00 FarewellsResources mentioned in this episode: Ronak Rahman: Twitter: https://twitter.com/ofronak Quali: Website: https://www.quali.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/qualisystems/ QTorque Free Tier: https://www.qtorque.io/pricing/ Join QTorque: https://portal.qtorque.io/joinIf you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/ Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.com You can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
139: Scientific Python with Guido Imperiale
00:00:45 Introductions00:02:22 The sluggish Python-based system that Guido revitalized00:06:03 Meeting the challenge of adding necessary complexity to a project00:11:59 Excel in banking00:18:15 Guido’s shift into Coil00:19:29 Scooby-Doo pajamas00:20:21 What motivates people to come in to the office today00:24:09 Pandas00:35:35 Why human error can doom an Excel setup00:39:29 BLAS00:46:20 A million lines of data00:51:43 How does Dask interact with Gambit00:54:40 Where does Coil come in00:59:34 The six-o-clock question01:03:53 Dealing with matters of difficult decomposition01:12:07 The Coil work experience01:15:37 Why contributing is impressive01:20:20 Coil’s product offering01:21:19 FarewellsResources mentioned in this episode:Guido Imperiale:Github: https://github.com/crusaderky Coiled: Website: https://coiled.io Careers: https://coiled.io/careers/ If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.comYou can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
138: Fixing the Internet with John Day
00:00:24 Introductions00:00:49 IP v600:04:50 OSI00:12:53 The IP v7 debate00:20:18 The definition of an address’s scope00:21:38 Why John feels DNS was a mistake00:26:40 How IP mobility works00:32:13 Bluetooth 00:41:41 Where will Internet architecture go from here00:49:49 Understanding the problem space00:59:04 The angels in the details01:00:53 Scientific thinking vs engineering thinking01:04:01 Victorian architecture01:06:11 John’s career advice01:11:18 Garbage Can Model01:14:38 How to make the most out of college today01:27:05 FarewellsResources mentioned in this episode: Professor John D. Day: Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Day_(computer_scientist) Website: https://www.bu.edu/met/profile/john-day/ Book: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/patterns-in-network/9780132252423/ Terminologies: CIDR: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classless_Inter-Domain_Routing OSI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model Connectionless Network Protocol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connectionless-mode_Network_Service SIP (Session Initiation Protocol): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol Garbage can model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_can_model If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/ Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.com You can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
137: The Origins of the Internet with John Day
00:01:01 Introduction00:01:28 COVID and the challenge of teaching00:04:11 John’s academic and career path00:08:14 LSI technology00:12:13 Collaborative software development in the day00:15:24 ARPANET’s early use00:20:08 Atom bomb and weather simulations00:26:55 The message-switching network 00:34:57 Pouzin00:38:00 Every register had a purpose00:45:15 The Air Force in 197200:52:10 Low memory00:59:14 Early problems with TCP01:11:51 The separation of mechanism and policy01:23:25 FarewellsResources mentioned in this episode:Professor John D. Day: Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Day_(computer_scientist) Website: https://www.bu.edu/met/profile/john-day/ Book: https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/patterns-in-network/9780132252423/ Pouzin Society: Website: https://pouzinsociety.org/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/pouzinsociety If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/ Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.com You can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
136: Metaverse with Daniel Liebeskind
136: Metaverse with Daniel LiebeskindDecentralizing the future can often lead to missing out on genuine human communication. Daniel Liebeskind, Cofounder and CEO of Topia, talks about how they’re working to avoid that pitfall while building the foundation of a better online experience. Whether its his lessons from Burning Man, keeping the human spirit alive in today’s technological frontier, or how Topia fits in the future, Daniel has something for listeners.00:01:34 Introduction00:02:15 Daniel and early programming experience00:07:51 How coding felt like sorcery00:09:35 Skill trees00:16:10 Second Life00:19:56 Enhancing versus replacing real life experiences00:26:28 A decentralized Metaverse00:29:54 Web 2 versus Web 3 00:34:15 /r/place00:44:16 Why boom cycles are important for tech00:46:03 Topia for consumers00:52:47 Topia as a company00:55:50 Opportunities at Topia00:58:00 Topia.io01:03:50 FarewellsResources mentioned in this episode:Daniel Liebeskind, Cofounder and CEO of Topia: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dliebeskind/ Website: https://medium.com/@dliebeskind Twitter: https://twitter.com/dliebeskind Topia: Website: https://topia.io/topia/careers LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/topia-io/ If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.comYou can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
135: Kubernetes with Aran Khanna
00:00:15 Introduction00:01:03 Aran Khanna and his background00:05:12 The Marauder’s Map that Facebook hated(Chrome Extension)00:20:11 Why Google made Kubernetes00:31:14 Horizontal and Vertical Auto-Scaling00:35:54 Zencastr00:39:53 How machines talk to each other00:46:32 Sidecars00:48:25 Resources to learn Kubernetes00:52:59 Archera00:59:31 Opportunities at Archera01:01:08 Archera for End Users01:02:30 Archera as a Company01:05:46 Farewells Resources mentioned in this episode:Aran Khanna, Cofounder of Archera: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aran-khanna/ Website: http://arankhanna.com/menu.html Twitter: https://twitter.com/arankhanna Archera: Website: https://archera.ai/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/archera-ai/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/archeraai Kubernetes: Website: https://kubernetes.io/ Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE77h7dmoQU If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/ Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.com You can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
134: Ephemeral Environments with Benjie De Groot
134: Ephemeral Environments with Benjie De GrootDownloadHow do you test changes to your web backend or database? Many people have a "production" and one "development" database, but the development database can easily become broken by one engineer and thus unusable for the rest of the team. Also, how would two engineers make changes in parallel to the development environment? What if you could spin up hundreds or thousands of development databases as you need them? Today we have Benjie De Groot, Co-Founder and CEO of Shipyard to explain ephemeral environments and how virtual machines and containers have made massive improvements in devops! 00:00:15 Introduction00:00:24 Introducing Benjie De Groot00:01:26 Benjie’s Programming Background00:06:34 How Shipyard started00:09:17 Working in Startups vs. Tech Giants00:19:28 The difference between Virtual Machines and Containers00:26:17 Local Development Environment00:40:27 What is a DevOps engineer and what does it entail?00:45:42 Zencastr00:50:12 Shipyard as a company00:55:29 How Shipyard gets clients01:06:48 Farewells Resources mentioned in this episode: Benjie De Groot, Co-Founder & CEO at Shipyard: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bueller/ Podcast: https://www.heavybit.com/library/podcasts/the-kubelist-podcast/ Shipyard: Website: https://shipyard.build/ Careers: https://shipyard.build/careers/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shipyardbuild/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/shipyardbuild Community Website: https://ephemeralenvironments.io/ GitHub: https://github.com/shipyard Heavybit: Website: https://www.heavybit.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/heavybit/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/heavybit If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/ Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.com You can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
133: Solving for the Marketplace Problem with Andrew Yates
As anyone who listens to the show regularly knows, I've always been fascinated by marketplaces. How do we figure out what to charge for something, and how do we match buyers and sellers? How does a company like Uber match drivers to riders so quickly? Today we have Andrew Yates, Co-Founder & CEO at Promoted.ai, to talk about marketplaces and how to optimize for this two-sided problem. 00:00:15 Introduction00:00:27 Introducing Andrew Yates00:00:50 Andrew’s Programming Background00:04:19 Andrew at Promoted.AI00:08:17 What is a Marketplace?00:17:45 Marketplace Rankings00:22:50 Short-term vs Long-term Experience00:24:43 Machine Learning and the Marketplace00:34:57 Measurements00:37:09 Promoted.AI Integration00:38:31 How Promoted.AI Measures Success00:41:14 Auction Theory00:46:08 Experience with YCombinator00:50:34 Promoted.AI as a Company00:55:47 Farewells Resources mentioned in this episode: Andrew Yates, Co-Founder & CEO at Promoted.ai: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-yates-0217a985/ Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/ayates_promoted Promoted.ai: Website: https://www.promoted.ai/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/promoted-ai/ If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/ Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.com You can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
132: Funding Open-Source Projects
00:00:15 Introduction00:01:24 Gaming setups00:12:25 News 00:12:27 I was wrong, CRDTs are the future 00:17:18 How we lost 54k Github stars 00:21:10 DALL-E 00:25:45 Inside the Longest Atlassian Outage of All Time 00:35:11: Sponsor00:36:22 Book of the Show 00:36:38 Indie Boardgame Designers Podcast 00:37:24 The Laundry Files 00:40:35 Tool of the Show 00:40:39 Zapier 00:42:21 Earthly 00:46:46 Funding open-source projects01:19:44 How to get funding for open-source projects01:22:47 Farewells Resources mentioned in this episode:Media: The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters (2017) Class Action Park (2020) Indie Boardgame Designers Podcast: https://indieboardgamedesigners.com/ GitHub Stars Won’t Pay Your Rent: https://medium.com/@kitze/github-stars-wont-pay-your-rent-8b348e12baed News: I Was Wrong, CRDTs Are The Future: https://josephg.com/blog/crdts-are-the-future/ How We Lost 54k GitHub Stars: https://httpie.io/blog/stardust DALL-E: https://openai.com/blog/dall-e/ Inside the Longest Atlassian Outage of All Time: https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/scoop-atlassian?s=r Books: Indie Board Game Designers Podcast The Laundry Files: https://amzn.to/3kdWWQg Tools: Zapier: https://zapier.com/ N8n: https://n8n.io/ Earthly: https://earthly.dev/ Adam Gordon Bell: Twitter: https://twitter.com/adamgordonbell Website: https://adamgordonbell.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamgordonbell/ CoRecursive: https://corecursive.com/ If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/ Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.com You can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
131: Supporting your Favorite Creators with Brave with Jimmy Secretan
I've been a big fan of Brave Browser ever since attending a presentation from Brandon Eich back in 2017. Brave was one of the first browsers to aggressively block the ability for websites to share information on your computer without your consent (i.e. third party cookies). I'm so excited to sit down with Jimmy Secretan, VP of Ads and Premium Services of Brave, and talk about all things Brave, from the Browser to the other products to the way Brave takes privacy on the internet to a whole new level, while also empowering content creators and advertisers who depend on ads for income and to promote their businesses.00:00:15 Introduction00:00:44 Introducing Jimmy Secretan00:01:10 How Brave started00:09:33 Brave and internet advertising00:21:13 Local machine learning00:32:07 What is BAT (Brave Attention Tokens) 00:42:59 Cross-platform data synchronization 00:44:28 Chromium00:50:22 Public and Private key encryption and authentication00:54:27 Brave for Content Creators00:59:03 Where is Brave now and what is its trajectory01:05:40 Opportunities in Brave01:13:10 FarewellsResources mentioned in this episode:Jimmy Secretan, VP of Ads and Premium Services: Twitter: https://twitter.com/jsecretan LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jimmysecretan/ Brave: Website: https://brave.com/ Brave Careers: https://brave.com/careers/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/brave LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/brave-software/ If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/ Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.com You can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★
130: Ethical Hacking with Ted Harrington
"Hacking" is a word that evokes awe from the public, laughter from developers, and pure fear from technology leaders. But what really is hacking? What does trust really mean and how do we acquire and keep trust on the Internet? It turns out that, while hacking is associated with computers, the methods behind it have been around since the dawn of time. Today we have Ted Harrington from ISE to dive deep into hacking, all the way from the medieval times to today. 00:00:15 Intro00:01:25 Introducing Ted Harrington00:07:10 Ethical Hackers, Non-Ethical Hackers, and Productivity00:11:58 Starting out in Ethical Hacking/Security00:14:40 Imposter Syndrome00:19:34 What is Hacking?00:30:48 Is Hacking like magic?00:38:14 Defense in Depth00:42:04 Earning trust and The Departed movie (Spoiler alert)00:59:52 DEF CON® Hacking Conference01:02:46 Tips on how not to get hacked01:10:08 ISE.io culture and opportunities01:24:13 Farewells Resources mentioned in this episode: Companies: ISE (Independent Security Evaluators)o Website: https://www.ise.io/o LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/independent-security-evaluatorso Twitter: https://twitter.com/ISEsecurityo Facebook: https://facebook.com/ISE.infosec People: Ted Harringtono Website: https://www.tedharrington.com/o LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/securityted/o Twitter: https://twitter.com/SecurityTedo Book: https://www.amazon.com/Hackable-How-Application-Security-Right/dp/154451767X Sponsor: MParticleo Website: https://www.mparticle.com/ If you’ve enjoyed this episode, you can listen to more on Programming Throwdown’s website: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/ Reach out to us via email: programmingthrowdown@gmail.com You can also follow Programming Throwdown on Facebook | Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Player.FM Join the discussion on our DiscordHelp support Programming Throwdown through our Patreon ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★