As the only podcast dedicated to open banking, our podcast strives to be one of the key voices in the global open banking community. The goal of the show is to educate people on how the world of finance is being shaken up by open banking, ultimately giving them more ways to save their money, move money around and improve their financial well-being. To those building open banking, we bring the unique perspectives of technology innovators, financial leaders and key influencers, as we aim to accelerate its continued evolution.
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Open Banking in the Middle East
When it comes to open banking globally, there are several factors that have acted as drivers for the movement, like competition, inclusion, stability and innovation. Although innovation takes a back seat in some regions, there is one place where it is firmly front-and-center: the Middle East. The Middle East and North Africa, a region known by the acronym MENA, has embarked on its own open banking journey, where Bahrain, Oman, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Israel and Egypt have all introduced some form of open banking initiatives. While they may vary in scope and approach, they all have one thing in common: a laser focus on modernizing their banking sectors with innovation acting as the primary driver. In this episode, Eyal will sit down with guest Hakan Eroglu, the Global Open Banking Lead at Mastercard. With more than 13 years of international experience in open banking strategy, Hakan is global in both title and practice. Eyal and Hakan’s focus on a subset of the MENA region, the countries who are members of the Gulf Cooperation Council, or the GCC.Specifically they discuss: The meaning of the term “over-banked”Key drivers of open banking in the MENA regionHow market vs. regulation is really a spectrumAn open banking tour of the the GCC members The differences between one country and anotherDigital ID, real-time payments and other extensions Open banking as a vehicle for innovation
Made in America
Open banking definitions often differ from region to region. In the U.S., where open banking is decidedly market-driven, it is associated more with consent-driven data sharing, rather than standardization or regulation. Outside of regulatory constraints, U.S. open banking efforts are laser-focused on generating business value through true innovation. In this episode, Eyal sits down with Jane Barratt, the Chief Advocacy Officer at MX, one of the American leaders in account aggregation and a true fintech powerhouse. With over two decades of experience in the world of financial services, Jane has seen the open banking movement evolve from multiple perspectives. In her role at MX, Jane works with fintechs, financial institutions, policymakers and regulators to drive open banking initiatives that aim to fundamentally transform the world of finance. During the episode, Eyal and Jane discuss definitions of open banking from the perspective of a leading U.S. fintech, the evolution of standards and the future of American-made open banking.Specifically they discuss: Definitions of open banking from a U.S. fintechHow U.S. banks should approach data sharingWhy market-driven open banking leads to innovationThe advantages of not having regulatory constraintsGrowing adoption of the FDX standardThe road to U.S. open banking regulationsHow data should used to make customers’ lives better
Open Banking for All
Open banking aims to introduce common, open, shared standards for the secure exchange of financial data. As a result, whether you bank with one bank or five, fintech or credit union, JPMC or PayPal, you can finally see all your accounts together, in one place - a concept known as account aggregation. In this episode, Eyal discusses this concept with Rolands Mesters, the CEO and Co-Founder of Nordigen, a European account aggregator who provides connectivity to thousands of banks, absolutely free. A regular guest at fintech events, Rolands has been featured by the industry’s leading media outlets, including TechCrunch, Sifted and Medium, was included in Forbes 30 under 30, and is considered one of the foremost experts on open banking worldwide. During their discussion, Eyal and Rolands explore the story of account aggregation, including how it began, where it’s going in the future and why it might just be the key to building open banking for all.Specifically they discuss: The definition of account aggregationOrigins of account aggregation as a conceptThe impacts of open banking on aggregationHow bank connectivity became commoditized The new role of the account aggregatorThe democratization of open banking Including developers in the narrative
Out of Africa
Introducing a disruptive movement like open banking into an already developed environment can be difficult. By contrast, introducing innovation where there is nothing to replace, often referred to as a “green field,” makes it possible to adopt the latest technology immediately, leapfrogging whatever came before. Africa, the ultimate green field, has been undergoing a quiet but steady technological renaissance over the past two decades, as it aims to leapfrog its peers. In this episode, Eyal sits down with Ismail Chaib from Yassir Tech Hub, a startup based out of his birthplace, Algeria. In 2011, Ismail was CTO of the Open Bank Project, where he built open banking before the term was even invented. During their conversation, Eyal and Ismail discuss the back story behind the Open Bank Project, the explosion of fintech in Africa, and how open banking can accelerate that boom.Specifically they discuss:-The story of the Open Bank Project-The state of fintech in Africa-M-Pesa and the rise of mobile money-African emergence of open banking-Market vs. Regulatory-driven approaches-Challenges to fintech adoption in Africa-Financial inclusion for over a billion Africans
The Threat of Open Banking
Despite the doubts of skeptics, the open banking movement is here and it’s evolving quickly. Right now, over 50 regions around the world are in various stages of implementing open banking, while some are already moving into the next stage of the progression: open finance. In this episode, Eyal sits down with Amit Mallick, the Global Open Banking Practice Lead at Accenture, to discuss the threat posed by open banking, and how major players like big banks can respond as they adjust their strategies to compete and succeed in the new financial ecosystem. During their conversation, Eyal and Amit discuss exactly what’s at stake as we transition to an open data economy ($416 billion in bank revenue, to be exact), how banks can best respond to the coming disruption, and how best to discover entirely new kinds of opportunities. Specifically they discuss: Why the stakes are so high as we make the transition to an open data economyHow big banks can avoid losing their market share as they compete with fintechs, rival banks and other stakeholdersThe four core capabilities banks will need to support their evolution Why embedded finance is the key to unlocking the real value of open bankingThe evolution of super apps as a key component of the larger transition to an open data economy
Value, Risk & Trust
While most of the financial sector is in the process of implementing open banking, it’s time to look beyond the horizon to see where this evolution is heading. As open banking standards expand to address more and more sectors of the economy, we are moving from open banking to open finance to open data. Open data will enable individuals to grant and share access to every digital transaction, health record, or energy bill to merchants so they can receive customized services that meet their unique needs. In this episode, Eyal sits down with Samantha Seaton, a champion of financial wellness and CEO of award-winning fintech MoneyHub, to explore how open data is transforming the world. Sam discusses how banks will need to think differently to succeed in the open future, compelling them to revisit three fundamental tenets of banking: value, risk and trust.While most of the financial sector is in the process of implementing open banking, it’s time to look beyond the horizon to see where this evolution is heading. As open banking standards expand to address more and more sectors of the economy, we are moving from open banking to open finance to open data. Open data will enable individuals to grant and share access to every digital transaction, health record, or energy bill to merchants so they can receive customized services that meet their unique needs. In this episode, Eyal sits down with Samantha Seaton, a champion of financial wellness and CEO of award-winning fintech MoneyHub, to explore how open data is transforming the world. Sam discusses how banks will need to think differently to succeed in the open future, compelling them to revisit three fundamental tenets of banking: value, risk and trust.Specifically they discuss: The current open banking landscapeHow to generate new kinds of valueEmpowering consumers to own their dataThe risk-reward dynamic of banks and fintechsMoving from open banking to open finance to open dataThe importance of building customer trustCurating your data an open world
How Open Banking Is Done
When it comes to both FinTech and open banking, the UK is leading the charge globally. In this episode, Eyal sits down with one of the key figures behind the country’s leadership in financial innovation: Charlotte Crosswell, the newly appointed Chair and Trustee of the Open Banking Implementation Entity (OBIE), which is the organization responsible for bringing open banking to the UK and acting as a shining example for the rest of the world. During their discussion, Charlotte shares her perspective on the UK’s strong FinTech reputation and how it’s evolved throughout her 25-year career serving in key leadership roles at the intersection of financial services, regulation and technology. She also offers her position on the UK’s national digital strategy, the factors that led to the UK’s success and the importance of a strong and inclusive culture. Finally, Charlotte offers her advice to peers in other regions hoping to help usher in this new age of open banking.Specifically they discuss: The UK’s FinTech landscapeCharlotte’s time as CEO of Innovate FinanceThe UK’s national digital strategyThe driving factors behind the UK’s open banking success The importance of culture in open bankingThe next incarnation of the OBIEThe future of open banking on a global scaleCharlotte’s advice for other practitioners aiming to adopt open bankingThe implications of smart data on businesses and individuals
The Road to DeFi Banking
The world of modern cryptocurrencies has evolved beyond just money, with currencies like Ethereum providing programmable open platforms to build the financial instruments of the future. These new tools aim to re-create and radically improve the centuries-old systems we have today, a movement that has come to be known as decentralized finance, or DeFi. As the head economist of Decentralized Protocols at ConsenSys, Lex Sokolin is an expert on DeFi, as well as crypto and FinTech in general. In his current role, he focuses on protocol crypto-economics, digital assets, public and private blockchains and decentralized finance. In this episode, Eyal and Lex sit down to discuss how DeFi is creating the fabric of an entirely new economy, including where open banking fits into the picture. They cover the difference between different cryptocurrencies, the introduction of smart contracts, and how DeFi is ushering in the new world of finance.Specifically they discuss: Overview of cryptoBitcoin vs. vs. other cryptocurrenciesWhat are smart contracts?The emergence of DeFiOpen banking as a bridgeThe old economy vs. the new
Chasing China
China has been at the frontier of digital banking innovation since 2014, when their tech giants WeChat and AliPay began driving banks to play catch up with raised user expectations. Creating an entirely different financial ecosystem than what one might experience in North America or even Europe, China’s banking is completely digitally integrated, with cash a long lost piece of the past. In this episode, Eyal sits down with banking innovation expert and author of “Cashless - China’s Digital Currency Revolution”, Richard Turrin, to discuss how China got here and where they are headed. They discuss the inner workings of China’s digital ecosystem, the role of WeChat and Alipay and the launch of Digital Yuan, and what regions with open banking aspirations can learn from China’s experience.Specifically they discuss: How market demand fuelled China’s cashless lifestyle;China’s different approach to open banking compared to the Western world;Whether or not digital yuan is levelling the playing field for banks; How CBDCs will coexist with payment apps; What others can learn from China’s digital banking journey
Open Banking in Europe
There is little doubt that the birthplace of open banking is Europe. As a concept, open banking can be traced to much earlier times, but it was Europe who, in 2015, enacted the first open banking legislation in the form of the PSD2. Fast forward to today, and Europe is reaping the rewards of being the first mover. Thousands of banks and hundreds of fintechs are now leveraging open banking to communicate with each other using common, secure standards, driving an explosion of innovative financial products and services all across the EU. Although Europe seems united behind common legislation, there have still been delays and confusion, and what works for some countries, doesn’t necessarily work for others. In this episode, Eyal sits down with Panagiotis Kriaris, Head of Business Development at German payment services provider Unzer. Panagiotis has been at the forefront of global open banking since it began, and has spent his career at the intersection of business and technology, bringing senior expertise to financial services across the board, including banking payments, fintech and e-commerce.Specifically, Eyal and Panagiotis discuss:The history and evolution of open banking in Europe;The inevitable disintermediation of financial services;The coming age of embedded finance;Banks that have been successful in open banking;Advice for those hoping to implement open banking.
Building a Digital Bank
The concept of digital disruption is no longer revolutionary for most businesses. In fact, digital transformation has become a prerequisite for ensuring you’re not left behind. Although banking is often perceived as a dated industry, banks are no strangers to digital disruption, dating back to the inception of ATMs. Yet disruption today is catapulting beyond familiar ground. The emergence and exponential development of the Internet has eliminated costs associated with running a bank and reaching your customers, costs that were previously considered fundamental. This opens up the door for competition and innovation, creating an environment where savvy customers demand intuitive, customized digital experiences from everyone they deal with - including their banks. In this episode, Eyal sits down with Andrew Moor, President and CEO of EQ Bank, Canada’s Challenger Bank. EQ is committed to exploring how banks can leverage technology to improve the societies in which they operate, so it comes as no surprise that they are strong advocates of open banking.Specifically, Eyal and Andrew discuss: The Canadian banking landscape;The role of the big five banks;Infrastructure modernization for open banking;How to succeed at launching a digital bank;Business models for banks in the open space.
Open Banking For Good
Open banking isn’t just about finance, it’s also about improving society. One of open banking’s key facets is its ability to create non-zero sum outcomes, meaning that one person’s gain doesn’t equal another person’s loss. Globally, we need to consider how best to harness this quality as we move towards a brighter, greener and more equitable future. In this episode, Eyal sits down with Faith Reynolds, champion of the open banking for good movement. Faith has been in open banking since the beginning, and has worked on a multitude of unique challenges, ranging from enforcement and redress all the way through to accessibility, vulnerability and other issues concerning financial inclusion. Today, Faith is on the board at Fair4All Finance and is a driving force behind Current Account Switch Service at Pay.UK. Together, they discuss how open banking can be used to create a better world, where banks are not just engines of capitalism but also engines of social good. Specifically, Eyal and Faith discuss: Do banks currently provide a social good?;Exploring the Open Banking Manifesto; How open banking can improve vulnerability, accessibility, and inclusion;The real needs of the underbanked; The right of individuals to claim value from their data.
The Great Unbanked
Right now, approximately two billion people across the globe are unbanked - meaning they have no connection to any banking system of any kind. Banks simply cannot make their business model work to serve low-income households properly, let alone the poor, which means that even the simplest of transactions such as payments become a challenge, often widening the gap between the haves and have nots. However, thanks to technology, things are improving. As the open banking movement continues to expand, the unbanked might just be the perfect source of untapped economic potential. On this episode of Mr. Open Banking, Eyal speaks with Carlos Kazuo Missao, the Director of GFT Group in Sao Paulo and a leader in the digital transformation of financial services. The two discuss how Brazil is using open banking to bridge their societal divide between a mature, developed economy and extreme poverty. Specifically, Carlos and Eyal discuss: Who are the unbanked and how do they fit into Brazil’s plans; How Brazil’s banks are catering the unbanked population; The big three regulations Brazillian banks need to follow;How open banking is leveling the playing field.
The Identity Question
Identity - the simple yet complex concept that makes you, you. But in the digital era, identity encompasses not only the individual attributes you capture about yourself, but those that are only revealed only through your online interactions and behaviours. On the one hand, digital identity is a powerful tool for determining our preferences, helping us make decisions and linking us to our devices, as well as to each other. Yet at the same time, it is a form of surveillance, watching and tracking our every move. So how do we ensure that digital identity is used to evolve our abilities, rather than limit them? How do you manage identity in a distributed, digital world? In our first episode of Season Two, Eyal sits down with Nat Sakimura, a renowned technologist known for his work as Chairman at the OpenID Foundation, where he works as a leading identity and privacy standardization architect to answer these very questions. Specifically, Nat and Eyal discuss: Why digital identity and personal data are important; What the OpenID Foundation is and how it works; How open banking standards need to adopt digital identity; Who the identity providers are today; What is the nature of identity itself.
Exploring Data Rights
At the heart of open banking lies an important and difficult question: do you own your data?As internet giants like Facebook and Google continue to grow, data rights seem like a natural next step in our society. After all, data has surpassed oil in value and yet, most consumers know very little about what their data is actually being used for and how it is being shared. In our final episode of Mr. Open Banking’s first season, Eyal sits down with industry expert James Bligh, Co-Founder of RedCrew and lead developer for Australia’s Consumer Data Right (CDR). The two discuss what makes the CDR unique among open banking standards, the debate about whether data is even yours to begin with, and the ongoing journey towards the establishment of universal data rights.Specifically, James and Eyal discuss:What Australia’s “Consumer Data Right” (CDR) is and what it means for consumers;The ongoing demand for data to be put back in the hands of consumers;The CDR’s implications on Australian banks;The difference between data rights, data standards, data ownership, and data control;How the current data monopolies led by tech giants are impacted by open banking.