The relentless pursuit of pleasure always leads to pain.

As the world evolves from one of scarcity to overabundance, we increasingly orient our lives around the pursuit of pleasure and avoidance of pain—an instinct that has produced a myriad of unprecedented types of addiction, and consequently, the pain we so desperately seek to avoid.

To better understand this conundrum, I’m joined today by one of the world’s leading authorities on the neuroscience of addiction, Anna Lembke, MD.

If that name sounds familiar, it’s likely due to her on screen presence in the Netflix documentary The Social Dilemma—a must-watch for anyone with a smartphone.

Anna is a professor of psychiatry at Stanford University School of Medicine and chief of the Stanford Addiction Medicine Dual Diagnosis Clinic. She is widely published, has testified before Congress, and has authored two important books, Drug Dealer MD and her newest work, Dopamine Nation—a powerful primer on compulsive overconsumption in a world where feeling good has become confused with the highest good.

This is an important and impactful conversation that explores:

• The nature, psychology, and neuroscience of addiction;
• the explosion in addiction in lockstep with technological advances;
• the opioid crisis & the fascinating history behind how we think about and treat pain;
• recovery protocols from 12-step & the latest science on psychedelic treatments; and
• how to manage & avoid addiction.

To read more click here. You can also watch listen to our exchange on YouTube. And as always, the podcast streams wild and free on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

Whip-smart and radically empathetic. I can’t underestimate the importance of Dr. Lembke’s work, and this conversation is a must listen for any and all who suffer from some form of addictive compulsivity, or know someone who does (which is pretty much everyone).

Enjoy!

Peace + Plants,

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Show Notes:

• Connect with Anna Lembke, MD: Website | Twitter
• Netflix: The Social Dilemma
• Book: Drug Dealer, MD: How Doctors Were Duped, Patients Got Hooked, and Why It’s So Hard to Stop
• Book: Dopamine Nation: Finding Balance in the Age of Indulgence
• Stanford Health Care: Anna Lembke, MD
• Stanford Profiles: Anna Lembke, MD
• Quartz: Economists know how to break your phone addiction
• The New York Times: Can This Judge Solve the Opioid Crisis?
• The New York Times: The Lawyer, the Addict
• Vox: There’s a highly successful treatment for opioid addiction. But stigma is holding it back.
• Vox: America’s doctors can beat the opioid epidemic. Here’s how to get them on board.
• TED: A doctor’s thoughts on the opioid epidemic and pain management | Anna Lembke | TEDxStanford
• TED: The Neuroscience of Addiction with Dr. Anna Lembke, Stanford University
• NPR: ‘Drug Dealer, M.D.’: Misunderstandings And Good Intentions Fueled Opioid Epidemic

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