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What do we want from a web browser? (Changelog & Friends #14)
A hoy hoy! Our old friend Nick Nisi does his best to bring up TypeScript, Vim & Tmux as many times as possible while we discuss a new batch of web browsers, justify why we like the ones we do & try to figure out what it’d take to disrupt the status quo of Big Browser.
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Featuring:
- Nick Nisi – Twitter, GitHub, Website
- Jerod Santo – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn
- Adam Stacoviak – Mastodon, Twitter, GitHub, LinkedIn, Website
Show Notes:
- Digging through Nick Nisi’s tool box (JS Party #278)
- Google gets its way, bakes a user-tracking ad platform directly into Chrome | Ars Technica
- Arc from The Browser Company
- Sizzy — The browser for web developers
- Polypane, The browser for ambitious web developers
- Orion Browser
- Vivaldi Browser | Powerful, Personal and Private web browser
- The Ladybird browser project
- Horse Browser
- Web Browser Quiche on the App Store
- Nyxt browser: The hacker’s browser
- Opera browser goes free with version 5.0 launch • The Register
- Nick’s vim + tmux video
- Vim with Me playlist
- Our viral short on Instagram Reels
- Gabe Kangas on Mastodon
- Rich Harris on JS Party
Something missing or broken? PRs welcome!
Timestamps:
(00:00) - Let's talk!
(00:38) - 2x Clark Kent glasses
(01:12) - Back to the Future II
(02:28) - "Gimme a Pepsi Free"
(03:26) - Crispin Glover follow-up
(04:17) - Start here if you just want browser talk
(04:21) - Hold on a second...
(05:02) - He's back!
(06:22) - Browser 101
(06:45) - Becoming crotchety
(07:51) - Safari is not the best browser
(08:32) - Chrome v Firefox
(09:55) - horse_js is dead
(10:18) - The TypeScript "Exodus"
(12:19) - New breed of browsers
(13:39) - All praise Safari
(17:46) - Safari's market share
(19:16) - Browser profiles
(21:47) - Firefox converters
(22:45) - Too many extentions
(23:49) - It's not what Apple wants
(25:41) - Safari incompatabilities
(28:02) - No Chrome since '16
(28:19) - Ad trackers in browsers
(30:12) - Your data & 3rd parties
(31:00) - Tight cloud integration
(33:21) - Ads on Smart TVs
(34:36) - NVIDIA SHIELD
(35:33) - DVD upscaling
(37:11) - Sponsor: Statsig
(40:55) - A FREE TV?!
(41:52) - Browser business models
(43:03) - Paywalls
(45:28) - Polypane & Sizzy
(49:16) - Confessions of Nick Nisi
(51:26) - Opera history trivia!
(53:38) - A browser for dev is a good idea
(53:58) - We own the ++?
(55:42) - Mark HackerNoon as spam
(57:30) - How Zed does it
(58:16) - Warp vs vim & tmux
(58:57) - Nick's vim + tmux vid
(1:03:29) - Viral short
(1:05:33) - More "Vim with me"!
(1:07:01) - What do we want?
(1:09:07) - Arc tabs
(1:10:57) - Orion
(1:11:19) - Vivaldi
(1:11:56) - Ladybird
(1:13:22) - Gabe Kangas on Mastodon
(1:15:54) - It takes talent
(1:16:43) - How long will browsers be relevant?
(1:18:33) - Why do we care?
(1:20:34) - Nyxt & Quiche
(1:22:04) - Power features
(1:23:43) - Should we just take it?
(1:24:07) - Momentum is a fickle thing
(1:25:00) - We don't know
(1:26:21) - The Arc club
(1:27:47) - Why Adam likes newer Macs
(1:29:31) - What is your tab layout?
(1:33:00) - Worryied about crotchety Adam
(1:33:44) - No forks of TypeScript
(1:34:02) - Speaking of the perfect tweet
(1:34:50) - Kids read everything
(1:35:26) - A Linux-like take on browser
(1:37:01) - Apple Keynote
(1:39:46) - When to upgrade your iPhone
(1:40:18) - No more lightning
(1:40:45) - Sideloading required?
(1:41:34) - Where to find Nick
(1:43:35) - Coming up next (Changelog++!)