Risky Business is a weekly information security podcast featuring news and in-depth interviews with industry luminaries. Launched in February 2007, Risky Business is a must-listen digest for information security pros. With a running time of approximately 50-60 minutes, Risky Business is pacy; a security podcast without the waffle.

How the World Got Owned Episode 1: The 1980s

January 06, 2026 1:03:36 91.63 MB Downloads: 0

In this special documentary episode, Patrick Gray and Amberleigh Jack take a historical dive into hacking in the 1980s. Through the words of those that were there, they discuss life on the ARPANET, the 414s hacking group, the Morris Worm, the vibe inside the NSA and a parallel hunt for German hackers happening at a similar time to Cliff Stoll’s famous Cuckoo’s Egg story.

This podcast features the memories of:

  • Jon Callas, former principal software engineer at Digital Equipment Corporation
  • Mark Rasch, Morris Worm prosecutor
  • Timothy Winslow, former 414 hacker
  • Greg Chartrand, author of Cracking the Cuckoos Egg and
  • Tony Sager, former NSA

How the World Got Owned is produced in partnership with SentinelOne.

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