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299: The growing divide between developers and FinOps (with Martin Reynolds from Harness)
In this episode, Jenna Barron interviews Martin Reynolds, field CTO of Harness, about the misalignment between developers and FinOps. The company recently did a report that backed up the claims that developers and FinOps aren't properly aligned, and they talk about some of the findings of that report. Some key points of discussion includeThe fact that over half of developers say their cloud purchasing commitments are based on guessworkThe lack of data on idle cloud resources, unused resource, and over or underprovisioned workloadsProcesses and tools that can help with alignmentHow the adoption of AI has contributed to the problem
298: Building a prompt engineering playground for faster company-wide innovation (with LinkedIn's Lukasz Karolewski and Ajay Prakash)
In this episode, Jenna Barron interviews Lukasz Karolewski, senior staff software engineer at LinkedIn, and Ajay Prakash, staff software engineer at LinkedIn, to talk about how they built a prompt engineering playground at LinkedIn to improve cross-team collaboration with non-technical teams.They discuss:Why they built the playgroundThe choice to use Jupyter notebooksThe work they did to make sure it was accessible to non-technical usersHow it's facilitated faster innovation at the companyThey detailed their work in this blog post here: https://www.linkedin.com/blog/engineering/product-design/building-collaborative-prompt-engineering-playgrounds-using-jupyter-notebook
297: Why a clean codebase is key when using AI-assisted coding tools (with Tabnine's Eran Yahav)
In this episode David Rubinstein interviews Eran Yahav, co-founder and CTO of Tabnine, about why its important to provide AI assistants with clean code.They discuss: The importance of defining organizational rules and best practices to guide the AIHow to use AI-assisted refactoring to improve legacy codebasesIf organizations should apply KonMari principles to their codebases
296: DeepSeek Unpacked: Security, Innovation, and What’s Next
Join SD Times news editor Jenna Barron for a panel discussion on DeepSeek and what developers need to know about this model that has been in the spotlight for the past few weeks. The conversation covers why DeepSeek has gained so much attention, what makes it different from other models, proper data security and hygiene practices for using DeepSeek, and predictions for the future of AI innovation. The speakers include:Melissa Ruzzi, director of AI at AppOmniBratin Saha, chief product and technology officer at DigitalOceanKate O’Neill, author, speaker, and executive consultant on technology’s impact on the human experienceRelated resources from our speakers:Kate’s new book, What Matters Next: A Guide to Making Human-Friendly Tech Decisions - https://www.koinsights.com/books/what-matters-next-book/AppOmni’s webinar on AI security and balancing the risks and benefits of AI - https://appomni.com/webinars/ai-security-balancing-business-and-saas-risks/ AskOmini, a chatbot for SaaS security - https://appomni.com/askomni/ How to Run DeepSeek R1 Large Language Models on DigitalOcean GPU Droplets - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/deepseek-r1-gpu-droplets DigitalOcean Deploy 2025 Keynote - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phxuIai5cD8
295: How middle code is bridging the gap between low-code and traditional programming (with OpsMill's Damien Garros)
In this episode, David Rubinstein interviews Damien Garros, co-founder and CEO of OpsMill, about middle code, a concept that sits somewhere between programming and low-code/no-code.They discuss:What middle code isThe influence generative AI has had on this technologyHow middle code can be used to accomplish things not possible with low-code or no-code
294: From "shift left" to "shift everywhere" (with OpenText Cybersecurity's Dylan Thomas)
In this episode, we interview Dylan Thomas, senior director of product engineering at OpenText Cybersecurity, about the evolution from shift left to shift everywhere.At the end of 2024, he predicted: "In 2025, DevSecOps will continue evolving beyond the ‘shift-left’ paradigm, embracing a more mature ‘shift everywhere’ approach. This shift calls on organizations to apply the right tools at the right stages of the DevSecOps cycle, improving efficiency and effectiveness in security practices. Lightweight analysis in IDEs will help developers catch issues early, while automation integrated into pull requests and CI/CD pipelines will ensure a cohesive ‘integrate once’ approach for core functions such as SAST, SCA, and increasingly DAST, particularly for API security testing."We interviewed him about his predictions, and talked about: What shift everywhere isWhy people are wanting to transition to this new approachHow to get started with shift everywhere
293: The best ways to deal with flaky tests (with Gradle's Trisha Gee)
In this episode, we spoke with Trisha Gee, lead developer advocate at Gradle, about flaky tests and the challenges of dealing with them.Key talking points:What is a flaky test?How can they be identified?How can they be prevented in the future? Other useful resources on flaky tests: Develocity’s Flaky Test DetectionTrisha’s recent Flaky Test webinar Trisha’s Blog - How Top Banks Handle Flaky TestsDesirable Unit Tests By Kent BeckMartin Fowler's Definition of a Contract Test Your Tests are Failing You! (video) 5 Reasons Your Automated Tests Fail (video)
292: Software Engineering Intelligence gains traction as Value Stream Management loses it (with Digital.ai's Derek Holt)
In this episode, we spoke with Derek Holt, CEO of Digital.ai, about the emerging practice of software engineering intelligence (SEI). At the end of last year, he predicted that "SEI will have a breakout year in 2025 as more and more businesses realize they need to measure the end-to-end business process of software development and delivery in order to drive continuous improvement, truly deliver improved developer experiences and ultimately realize the potential gains for an AI-powered Software Development and Delivery capabilities."We invited him on the podcast to dive into that prediction further, and we discussed:What SEI isWhy it's gaining traction this yearHow it differs from value stream management, and why it will be more successfulRead all 2025 predictions here: https://sdtimes.com/softwaredev/predictions-for-software-development-in-2025/
291: Containers in 2025: Bridging the gap between software and hardware (with Red Hat's Scott McCarty)
In this episode, we interview Scott McCarty, senior principal product manager of Red Hat Enterprise Linux, about what we can look forward to in 2025 when it comes to Linux containers. Key talking points include:Cross-platform use cases for containersBending containers to do more for usAn overview of bootc and how it fits into the future of containers
290: The state of software supply chain security (with Sonatype's Brian Fox)
In this episode, David Rubinstein interviews Brian Fox, co-founder and CTO of Sonatype. They discuss the company's 10th annual State of the Software Supply Chain report. Key talking points include: The rapid growth of malicious open-source componentsThe increasing length of time needed to remediate vulnerabilitiesHow regulations impact supply chain securityNote: This will be the final episode of What The Dev released in 2024. We'll be back in early January 2025!
289: Balancing security and convenience in biometric authentication (with Aware's Mohamed Lazzouni)
In this episode, David Rubinstein interviews Mohamed Lazzouni, CTO of Aware, a company that offers identity verification services. They discuss the current state of biometric authentication, including its challenges, user experience, and ethical considerations. They also talk about concerns regarding deepfakes and the countermeasures to protect against them.
288: The negative long-term impacts of AI on software development pipelines (with Prismatic's Tanner Burson)
In this episode, editor-in-chief David Rubinstein interviews Tanner Burson, vice president of engineering at Prismatic, about how AI might be destabilizing development pipelines. They discuss:The lack of long-term thinking around AI in developmentWhy AI-generated code is hard to understand and maintainIssues with using AI to verify code
287: How AI is driving innovation in Kubernetes (with Nutanix' Tobi Knaup)
In this episode, editor-in-chief David Rubinstein interviews Tobi Knaup, VP and general manager of cloud native at Nutanix. They discuss how AI is driving innovation in Kubernetes, and also how AI adoption is driving people to Kubernetes.
286: Improving and evolving your engineering processes (with Stytch's Julianna Lamb)
In this episode, news editor Jenna Barron interviews Julianna Lamb, co-founder and CTO of Stytch, about how to evolve your engineering processes.They discuss:How the dynamic of a team contributes to engineering efficiencyHow to play to the strengths of everyone on the teamThe benefits of engineers having ownership over the work they're doing
285: Using certifications to level up your development career (with CNCF's Christophe Sauthier)
In this episode, SD Times news editor Jenna Barron interviews Christophe Sauthier, head of CNCF certifications and trainings, about the benefits of getting a certification. They discuss:CNCF's recently created Kubestronaut achievement, which developers can get for completing all five of the organization's Kubernetes certificationsHow certifications can improve a developer's careerWhat to look for when thinking about getting a certifications