“Skimm This” is a weekly news program that breaks down important stories from the past week and adds context and clarity to answer the questions on your mind. Every Thursday evening.
Reality Dating Shows Are Bad. Why Do We Love Them?
Today: we're sharing the latest episode of another Skimm podcast, Pop Cultured with theSkimm. Skimm This will be back in your feed with the week's news on Thursday. The Bachelorette’s Michelle Young is making Bachelor nation history. For the first time since the franchise premiered in 2002, the man who'll soon be handed that final rose is guaranteed to be a man of color. It may seem like reality dating shows are making some slow progress on diversity. But why aren’t they keeping up with our IRL views on love and relationships? You’ll hear from: Bethonie Butler, TV and pop culture reporter for the Washington Post. Joanna Weiss, Editor-in-Chief of Experience magazine and contributing editor to POLITICO Magazine Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Senior Producer and Host Bridget Armstrong. Produced by Alaisha Key. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s senior director of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Naughty List: Russia, China, Texas Redistricting
First up: President Biden and Vladimir Putin had an awkward Zoom this week to discuss the growing tension at the border of Ukraine. But just like any convo you’ve had with a friend slash enemy, this one… didn’t solve much. Next: Speaking of US frenemies, this week Biden bucked the social norms by RSVPing ‘no’ to the Beijing 2022 Winter Olympics… as did Canada, the UK and Australia. ICYMI: We’ve got the latest on the Department of Justice suing Texas over its redistricting maps, new data about teens’ mental health, and Angela Merkel’s auf wiedersehen after 16 years as German Chancellor. Then: It’s looking more likely that SCOTUS might overturn Roe v. Wade next year. We’ll talk to two experts about how access to abortion affects our finances, our health and our mental wellbeing. Finally: Art Basel just wrapped in Miami, with a new addition this year: NFTs. We’ll ask one art reporter what this new convergence of art and tech means for the future of the art market. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Dr. Marta Perez, assistant professor of obstetrics & gynecology, Washington University School of Medicine Caitlin Myers, economics professor, Middlebury College Anna Brady, art markets editor, the Art Newspaper Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long. Additional help from Sagine Corrielus. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
How to Save a Life: Omicron and Abortion Care
First up: The word of the week is definitely “Omicron.” We called up a doctor friend to break down what we do and don’t know about the new COVID-19 variant. Next: We’ll get into this week’s other big headlines, from a school shooting in Michigan to a controversial new Twitter policy, and the start of Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial. Then: The Supreme Court heard a major abortion case this week about Mississippi’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks. We listened in on the hearing and asked an expert about how the Supremes might rule. ICYMI: Barbados kicked out Queen Elizabeth II as head of state this week and honored … Rihanna that same evening? We’ll break down what happened in 60 seconds. Finally: The Royal Family viewed through a horror lens. Thick Italian accents and fur coats. And two tennis stars’ intense training regimen. We’ll check in with Thrillist film critic Esther Zuckerman to hear about the three films we need to watch now. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Namandje N. Bumpus, director, department of pharmacology and molecular sciences, Johns Hopkins Medicine Tatum Hunter, personal technology reporter, The Washington Post Seema Mohapatra, visiting professor of law, Southern Methodist University School of Law Esther Zuckerman, senior entertainment writer, Thrillist Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long. Engineered by Peter Bonaventure. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Table Topics: Oil Prices, Rittenhouse, and Ethical Debates
First up: We’ve got a breakdown of the week’s biggest stories – including anti-lockdown protests in Europe, what President Biden is doing to lower gas prices, and why more Americans are saying they don’t want to have children. Next: We’ll break down the verdict in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, and speaking to an expert about the bigger implications of this trial for gun rights in the United States. Then: We’ve got updates on the status of Chinese tennis star Peng Shuai, and we’ll follow up on those labor strikes from October. Plus: If your family keeps complaining about the cost of this year’s Thanksgiving dinner, we’ve got some tips on how to limit the impact rising inflation will have on your wallet. Finally: If your dinner table debates get a little too spicy this year, it might be time to call in the oracle of Delphi – or at least her AI replacement. Here’s where you can find her. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Cheryl Bader, clinical associate professor of law, Fordham Liwei Jiang, PhD candidate, University of Washington Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Bad Boys? Gosar, Putin, and Elon Musk
First up: We’ll break down the headlines, including what got settled at a meeting between the leaders of the U.S. and China, why the sports world is on edge after the disappearance of a Chinese tennis star, new consumer spending data, and why the House voted to censure Republican Paul Gosar. Next: Vladimir Putin is causing headaches for world leaders again. We’ll ask one expert: why is Russia stirring up trouble with Poland and Ukraine, and firing missiles into space? Then: We’ve got an exclusive chat with Mayor Pete — or rather, U.S. Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg — on what the newly-passed infrastructure bill will mean for your town or city. ICYMI: Elon Musk has been all over the news lately: selling Tesla stocks, insulting politicians, and telling the U.N. he’d help solve world hunger if they showed him a plan. We’ll save you a scroll down his Twitter feed with a breakdown of what he’s been up to … in 60 seconds. Plus: November is Native American Heritage Month. We’ll speak to one expert about the dark history of American assimilation policies, and what new research is uncovering. Finally: Ahead of Thanksgiving, we called up a few of our doctor friends to ask what they’re doing to celebrate the holiday safely this year. On this episode, you’ll hear from: John E. Herbst, senior director of the Atlantic Council’s Eurasia Center and former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Pete Buttigieg, U.S. Secretary of Transportation Dr. Susana Grajales Geliga, co-director, Genoa Indian School Reconciliation Project Dr. Celine Gounder, clinical assistant professor of medicine and infectious diseases, New York University’s Grossman School of Medicine Dr. Amber D’Souza, infectious disease epidemiologist, Johns Hopkins University Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long. Additional support from Sagine Corrielus. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Shivers: Astroworld, COP26, and Inflation
First up: Nine people died in a stampede at Travis Scott’s Astroworld music festival last weekend. We called up one local reporter who was on the scene to explain what happened, whether this tragedy could have been prevented, and what it means for live music. Next: Congress finally passed its $1.2 billion infrastructure bill. We’ve got the details on how the money’s gonna be spent. Then: The U.N.’s climate talks are starting to wrap up. We’ll talk to a climate reporter about what new commitments countries brought to the negotiations, as well as what they didn’t. ICYMI: We’ve got a roundup of some of this week’s biggest stories, from Nicaragua’s elections and Belarus’ border to how a hand signal learned on TikTok saved a life. Plus: We’ll break down this week’s top business headlines, including the U.S. welcoming back foreign visitors and why everyone from Amazon to Spectrum is begging you to work for them. Finally: We’ve got an infrastructure bill, but we’re still waiting on its counterpart: the social spending bill that, at one point, contained paid family leave. We’ve got an update on what’s holding it up. P.S. Here’s how to do the TikTok hand signal for distress, and here’s the research on why wish-lists for gifts are better for everyone. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Joey Guerra, music critic, The Houston Chronicle Juliet Eilperin, deputy climate editor, The Washington Post Dr. Carolyn Rubenstein, psychologist Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
20/21 Vision: Election Results, Greenwashing, and Let’s Go Brandon
First up: We’ve got a breakdown of what went down in elections all over the country this week, and what it could mean for next year’s midterms. Next: We’ll get into this week’s other big stories, from the latest on COVID-19 vaccines for kids to workplace vaccine mandates and Facebook’s retreat from facial recognition. Then: Texas’ restrictive abortion law wound up in front of the Supreme Court again this week. We listened in on the arguments — and called up two of our lawyer friends to tell us what’s likely to happen next. Plus: The U.N.’s yearly climate talks around underway — and people keep talking about greenwashing. We’ll explain what it actually is and how you can avoid it. ICYMI: You might have heard someone say “Let’s Go Brandon!” at some point in the last few weeks. Here’s why it probably isn’t aimed at a Brandon near you. Finally: New research finds women are better investors than men. We’ll talk to an expert about why that might be. P.S. Here’s a tool you can use to figure out if your fave clothing company is as sustainable as it says it is, and here’s a tool to help screen your investments. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Caroline Mala Corbin, professor of law, University of Miami School of Law Seema Mohapatra, visiting professor of law, Southern Methodist University School of Law Debbie Carlson, freelance investing reporter, Marketwatch Elisabeth Schenk, Clean Clothes Campaign, Public Eye Lorna Kapusta , Fidelity Investments Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Here Today, Gone Tomorrow: Paid Leave, Facebook, the Planet
First up: So much for paid family leave. Democrats unveiled a more than $1 trillion spending bill this week, but it’s leaving a lot of people disappointed. We’ll catch up with one Capitol Hill reporter to find out why. Next: We’ve got the latest on Pfizer’s COVID vaccine for kids under 12, the coup in Sudan, the U.N.’s scary climate report and the U.S. asking passport holders: is your gender M, F or X? ICYMI: The midterm elections aren’t until 2022, but Election Day next Tuesday could set the tone for next year’s midterms. We’ll break down what to look out for. Then: October is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month. We’ll explain what miscarriages are, and we’ll ask two fertility specialists: what are the best things to say to someone who’s going through one? Let’s talk biz: A bunch of companies announced their Q3 earnings this week, and plenty of them announced more price increases for consumers. We’ll explain what’s driving that. Plus: Facebook has had so much bad press lately, but the headlines are barely making a dent in the company’s profits. We’ll talk to one reporter about Facebook’s handling of the “Facebook Papers” scandal. Finally: If the “nature is healing” memes got you through some dark moments last year, now there’s actual science to show you’re not alone. Literally, memes are good for our health. We’ll get into just why that is. P.S. We’ve got resources for anyone dealing with loss or grief after a miscarriage here. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Alice Miranda Ollstein, healthcare and Capitol Hill reporter, POLITICO Keach Hagey, investigative reporter for media and tech, The Wall Street Journal Dr. Natalie Crawford, fertility physician Dr. Temeka Zore, fertility specialist and board-certified OB/GYN Jessica Myrick , professor of media studies, Penn State University Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long. Additional support from Sagine Corrielus. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Strike Three: Labor Unions, Netflix, and Twindemics
First up: We’ve got the latest on COVID booster shots, over-the-counter hearing aids, a breakthrough organ transplant, and a high-profile kidnapping in Haiti. Next: Congress’ January 6th investigation is picking up steam. We’ll break down what info they’re after, and why former Trump advisor Steve Bannon is coming up in all of this. ICYMI: It’s flu season again, and experts are warning about a “twindemic.” We’ll Skimm what that could look like … in 60 seconds. Then: Netflix employees staged a virtual walkout this week, after the streaming giant defended the release of a controversial Dave Chapelle comedy special. We listened in on Netflix’s earning call to figure out where the company really stands. Plus: Workers are getting ready to walk all over the country, as labor unions prepare to strike for better pay, conditions and hours. We’ll look at why so many strikes are happening that this month has been dubbed “Striketober.” Finally: We’ve spent the last year craving a vacation. And it seems like Saudi Arabia heard our prayers… although we can’t say hanging out on an oil rig is exactly our speed. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Kate Bronfenbrenner, director of labor education research, Cornell University Alex Press, staff writer, Jacobin Kathryn Dill, early careers reporter, the Wall Street Journal Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Hate on Me: Texas, Football, The Great Reshuffle
First up: We’ve got the latest on I.C.E. ending worksite immigration raids, Social Security payments increasing, and the F.D.A.’s first approval of a vape pen. Then: We’ve spent a lot of time talking about COVID-19 vaccines — but what about treatments? We’ll ask one expert about the difficult work of discovering COVID treatments, Merck’s new pill, and any new treatments we can expect. Next: Texas has made a lot of headlines this year, from restricting voting rights and abortion access to easing up on gun control. We’ll talk to one reporter about why Texas is testing so many hot-button issues right now. ICYMI: Millions of Americans are looking to switch careers, but actually making that switch can be tricky. We’ll explore what’s complicating “The Great Reshuffle,” and how some companies are trying to improve things. Finally: Is the #MeToo movement finally coming for big-league sports? We’ll talk to theSkimm’s own Bridget Armstrong about football’s dirty (and not little) secret, and why the music industry — and hip hop in particular – is also waiting for its #MeToo groundswell. P.S. We’ve got a whole new show dedicated to all things pop culture. Listen and subscribe here. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Dr Judith Currier, professor of medicine, UCLA Renuka Rayasam, Texas correspondent, Politico Kathryn Dill, early careers reporter, Wall Street Journal Justina Nixon-Saintil, VP and global head of corporate social responsibility, IBM Bridget Armstrong, host, Pop Cultured with theSkimm Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long, with help from Sagine Corrielus. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
How the F Is That Legal?! Facebook, South Dakota, NWSL Abuse
First up: We’ve got the latest on a groundbreaking new malaria vaccine, the Facebook whistleblower in front of Congress, the abortion battle in Texas, and how South Dakota became a global tax haven. Next: It might start taking longer — and costing more — to mail a letter. And that’s not all: it’s getting pricier to catch an Uber and heat your home (with natural gas). We’ll break down why. ICYMI: Tech companies are in a war for your attention at work, and Microsoft came to flex … with a lot of notifications. Then: Three coaches from the National Women’s Soccer League have been fired since August over allegations of misconduct, including one bombshell case of sexual coercion. We’ll talk to a former player about how the system leaves women’s soccer players vulnerable, and why that needs to change. Finally: If you binged ‘Squid Game’ last weekend … us too. We’ll chat with a culture writer about why we’re all so obsessed. P.S., If Squid Game left you craving more, here are a few recs for what to watch next. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Alexandra Samuel, freelance tech correspondent and author, "Remote, Inc." Haley Kopmeyer, former NWSL goalkeeper, integrated partnerships manager, Just Women’s Sports Hanh Nguyen, senior culture editor, Salon Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long, with help from Sagine Corrielus. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Who’s in Charge Here? Congress, IG for Kids, Holiday Shortages
First up: We’ve got the latest on a major congressional hearing on Afghanistan, plus why March Madness isn't just for the boys anymore. Next: Congress is running up against a few key deadlines — from a resolution to fund the government and avoid hitting the debt ceiling. We asked a DC reporter: why are reps cutting it so close? ICYMI: There’s been a lot of buzz (and confusion) about booster shots lately. We’ll break down who’s eligible … in 60 seconds. Then: We’ve got a roundup of this week’s most important tech stories, from Apple’s foray into depression diagnosis to Facebook hitting pause on Instagram for Kids and NYC’s new bill to protect food delivery workers. Plus: Supply chain woes mean it might already be time to start shopping for the holidays. We’ll look at why retailers are struggling to stock their shelves. Finally: We’ve heard a lot about the importance of “the Latino vote” in 2020. But politicians keep missing the mark when it comes to engaging Latino voters. We’ll talk to two experts about what political campaigns should be doing differently, and why understanding Latino voters is good for all voters. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Kadia Goba, national politics reporter, Buzzfeed News Abha Bhattarai, retail reporter, The Washington Post Lisa García Bedolla, professor, UC Berkeley Stephanie Valencia, co-founder, Equis Labs Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long, with help from Sagine Corrielus. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Handle with Care: Worker Shortages, Haiti, Debt Ceilings
First up: Thousands of Haitian migrants are gathering at the U.S.-Mexico border. We’ll break down why they’re there and why the U.S. government’s response is stirring up controversy. Then: We’ve got the latest on Pfizer’s vaccine for kids under 12, new rules for travelers entering the U.S.., Canada’s elections, and the first legal challenges to the new abortion law in Texas. ICYMI: This week, we listened in on world leaders having a real life reunion at the U.N. General Assembly. We’ve got the details on their discussions. Plus: We’ve heard a lot of warnings lately about the U.S. hitting its “debt ceiling.” We’ll break down what the debt ceiling is, why it exists, and how Congress is responding. Next: The U.S. is facing a childcare shortage. And a nursing shortage. We’ll take a deep dive into both industries and explore why solving these staffing shortages won’t be easy. Finally: The 2021 Emmys kicked off this year’s awards season. We’ll discuss the highs, lows, and expectations for other awards shows. To share your story from the front lines of the childcare and nursing industries, leave us a voicemail at (646) 461-6370. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Lindsey Harris, president, Alabama State Nurses Association Heather Long, economics correspondent, The Washington Post Bridget Armstrong, senior audio producer, theSkimm, host of “Pop Cultured with theSkimm” Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long, with help from Sagine Corrielus. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Fauci, Facebook, and Forests
First up: We’ve got an exclusive interview with Dr. Anthony Fauci, where we got the chance to ask about everything from vaccine mandates on airplanes and in schools to his biggest pandemic mistakes. Next: We’ll get into the latest headlines, from explosive revelations about the final days of the Trump administration, to the results of California’s recall election, and why college students are swapping wine for weed. Then: The federal government is trying to stop Texas’s restrictive new abortion law. We quizzed a legal expert on whether that and other legal efforts are likely to succeed. ICYMI: Remember the freakout over Google Glass? Facebook hopes you forgot. It’s launching Ray Bans featuring a hidden camera, and doing so at a time when it’s reputation already isn’t great. Finally: We’ll look at the chillest new prescription some doctors are starting to write. Hint: there’s no co-pay. (Here’s how to find an outdoor space nearby if you’re itching to get outdoors. P.S., Here’s what happened when Joanna Stern tried out Facebook’s hybrid camera-glasses. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Dr. Anthony Fauci, director, National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases Caroline Polisi, legal analyst and adjunct lecturer at Columbia Law School Joanna Stern, senior personal technology columnist, The Wall Street Journal Jennifer D. Roberts, associate professor, kinesiology, University of Maryland Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long, with help from Sagine Corrielus. Engineered by Andrew Callaway. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
If We Could Turn Back Time: 9/11, California’s Recall, (Offline) Dating
First up: We’ve got the latest on the week’s biggest headlines, from El Salvador’s adoption of Bitcoin to the removal of Virginia’s most prominent Confederate statue, the newest COVID-19 variant, and Britney’s conservatorship. Next: It’s back to school time… but there’s no vaccine for kids under 12. So, we called up an expert to find out everything we need to know about schools, kids and COVID-19. Then: It’s the 20 year anniversary of 9/11, and even if we were too young to remember all of it, the terrorist attack and our government’s response to it has shaped all of our lives. We’ll look at the legacy of September 11th, two decades later. ICYMI: California governor Gavin Newsom’s in trouble, and facing possible removal from office in an election next week. We’ve got the details you need to know on California’s recall election … in 60 seconds. Plus: We were glued to our gaming consoles growing up… but for kids in China, that might not be so easy any more: China’s banning kids from playing more than 3 hours of video games a week. We’ll explain what’s going on. Finally: Match Group is going official with the S&P 500, a sign that dating apps are here to stay. But don’t worry, if they still make you nervous, we’ve asked an expert for some dating-app survival tips. P.S. Here’s a map of public symbols of the Confederacy around the U.S., and updates on their status. On this episode, you’ll hear from: Dr. Celine Gounder, clinical assistant professor of medicine and infectious diseases, New York University’s Grossman School of Medicine Laura Dugan, professor of human security, Ohio State University Nastasia Griffioen, doctoral researcher, Games for Emotional and Mental Health Lab Lindsey Metselaar, influencer and host of the "We Met at Acme" podcast Want more Skimm? Sign up for our free daily newsletter Email us your questions about what’s going on in the news right now Subscribe and leave us a review wherever you get your podcasts Skimm'd by Alex Carr, Luke Vargas, and Ciara Long, with support from Peter Bonaventure. TheSkimm’s head of audio is Graelyn Brashear. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices