My name is Jonathan Stark and I’m on a mission to rid the earth of hourly billing. I hope that Ditching Hourly will help achieve this, one listener at a time 🙂
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Bob Rogers - Designing Experiences That Change Behavior
Experience designer and BRC Imagination Arts founder Bob Rogers joined me on Ditching Hourly to explain how to create experiences that change behavior instead of merely entertaining. His new book, Deep Story, is a practical guide to doing exactly that.We talked about defining the change before choosing tools, looking past requested deliverables, finding the emotional connection between a brand and its audience, starting with the heart, and turning information into action.00:00 - Meet Bob Rogers and Deep Story01:57 - Lessons from Disneyland's Magic Shop03:57 - It's All About Them07:36 - The Audience Is the Instrument10:27 - Failing Into the Right Career12:24 - Define the Change Before the Tools16:51 - Look Past the Requested Deliverable20:11 - Hire the Team, Not the Idea22:41 - Use Phases and Set Enduring Goals24:53 - Find the Shared Emotional Trigger27:55 - A Brand Is What the Audience Says It Is32:09 - SCAD's Kitchen Table Story35:35 - Start with the Heart, Then Focus38:32 - Information Is Not Transformation42:35 - Books and Where to Find BobBob Rogers is the founder of BRC Imagination Arts, where he has spent decades creating visitor experiences for corporations and museums. He began his career demonstrating magic at Disneyland and later developed concepts for films at Walt Disney Imagineering. His new book, Deep Story, presents a practical approach to building experiences that make an emotional connection and prompt action. Learn more at BRC Imagination Arts. ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!
Paul Giese - The Power of Triple Specialization
NetSuite data migration consultant Paul Giese joined me on Ditching Hourly to share how triple specialization helped him build a highly referable, fixed-price consulting business.Paul explains how his accounting background, NetSuite expertise, and data-migration focus combine into a defensible niche, plus how specialization supports referrals, delegation, and value-based fixed fees.00:00 - Introduction00:20 - Paul's Background and Business01:01 - From Accounting to Entrepreneurship03:21 - Finding the NetSuite Migration Niche06:02 - The Benefits of Specialization12:07 - Becoming Easy to Refer16:00 - The Three-Part Expertise Moat20:48 - The Opportunity for Specialized Firms24:10 - Moving from Hourly to Fixed Fees29:08 - The Freedom of Fixed Pricing31:08 - Building Trust and Reducing Risk36:08 - Contractors, Delegation, and Quality40:13 - Pricing by Value Instead of Volume42:56 - Testing the Ceiling on Price47:36 - Lessons and Closing ThoughtsGuest BioPaul Giese is the founder of Optimal Data Consulting, a firm specializing in data migration services for companies implementing NetSuite. With an accounting background from Baylor University and experience in Big Four public accounting, Paul has helped more than 100 clients migrate their data. Connect with Paul on LinkedIn or on his website. ----Before you go!The next time someone asks you for your hourly rate, I want you to stop what you're doing and head on over to valuepricingbootcamp.com to sign up for my free value pricing email course.Hope to see you there!
Nick Richtsmeier - The Damn Rules
Growth consultant and author of The Damn Rules, Nick Richtsmeier joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about why internet-based inbound marketing systems have stopped working, aren't coming back, and what might work instead.00:27 Nick's Background and Work01:10 Why the Internet Is Toast03:09 What Distribution Means Now04:36 Inbound as Attention Arbitrage07:56 The Attention Economy Is a Casino13:37 Five Major Disruptions22:36 Trust and Attachment as Scarcity25:34 Friction as a Load-Bearing System30:10 Restoring Trust Through Human Contact35:01 Selling When People Are Scrolling39:19 Notice Meetings and Relationship Networks41:47 Why Friction Polishes Ideas50:37 The Damn Rules and Closing ThoughtsNick's bio:Nick Richtsmeier is the creator of Trust-Made Growth® and the author of The Damn Rules: How Vulnerability, Inefficiency, and Love Liberate Leaders from the Trustbroken Economy, a strategist and cultural navigator helping founder-led, relationship-driven firms build durable businesses in the age of AI extraction and from the wreckage of the trustbroken economy. Nick's links:Personal » https://nickrichtsmeier.comBook » https://nickrichtsmeier.comNewsletter » https://damnrulesbook.comLinkedIn » https://linkedin.com/in/nickrichtsmeierPodcast » “Damns Given with Nick Richtsmeier” available on all major platforms ----Do you know you need to niche down, but keep hesitating because you're afraid of picking the wrong niche, cutting off good opportunities, or boxing yourself in?You DON'T need more convincing that vague positioning is a problem.You DO need a way to make positioning feel less risky so you can finally choose a direction, test it in the market, and adjust without blowing up your business.On Tuesday, September 8th, 2026, at noon Eastern Time, I'm running a live workshop called Positioning For Soloists Having A Hard Time Niching Down.That's what we'll tackle in this workshop.It's the second session of my Fall 2026 Soloist Growth Workshop series for expertise-based business owners just like you.Live attendance is limited to 20, so don't wait.Learn more at: https://jonathanstark.com/sgsEnroll in Positioning For Soloists now »Hope to see you live in Zoom on Tuesday.
Jason Cohen - Hidden Multipliers
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Bill Sherman - Scaling Thought Leadership
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”Expertise whisperer” Wes Wheless joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about turning corporate expertise into a solo consulting business. We talked about his new book, The Expert's Privilege, how corporate professionals can recognize transferable expertise, why visual IP helps consultants explain their work, and what to do before making the leap from employee to independent consultant.Chapters01:35 - From Corporate to Consulting03:48 - Pivoting Toward Solo Consultants06:16 - Daily Email, Authority, and Visual IP11:46 - The Expert's Privilege18:36 - Why Corporate Experts Undervalue Their Skills23:23 - Excavating Your Expertise27:18 - Finding Your Zone of Genius32:44 - From Self-Examination to Market Validation35:30 - What to Do Before You Leave Corporate40:22 - A Book Is FOR Someone44:23 - Writing the Book With Support52:06 - Launch Strategy and Early ResultsAbout WesWes Wheless is an "expertise whisperer," founder of Develop My IP, and creator of The Lightbulb, a daily email for corporates-turned-consultants.After two consecutive tech layoffs, Wes traded a 20-year corporate career spanning consulting, enterprise, and startups for a solo practice helping experts turn their knowledge into IP, frameworks, and "intellectual headshots."Wes holds business degrees from The Wharton School and Kellogg School of Management and lives in Seattle, Washington. The Expert's Privilege is his first book.LinksResources & Services: weswheless.comThe Expert's Privilege: wesbook.comBuy on Amazon: buywesbook.comThe Lightbulb email: lightbulbemail.comFen Druadin, Book Midwife: fendruadin.com (00:00) - Introduction (01:35) - From Corporate to Consulting (03:48) - Pivoting Toward Solo Consultants (06:16) - Daily Email, Authority, and Visual IP (11:46) - The Expert's Privilege (18:36) - Why Corporate Experts Undervalue Their Skills (23:23) - Excavating Your Expertise (27:18) - Finding Your Zone of Genius (32:44) - From Self-Examination to Market Validation (35:30) - What to Do Before You Leave Corporate (40:22) - A Book Is for Someone (44:23) - Writing the Book With Support (52:06) - Launch Strategy and Early Results (55:31) - Where to Find Wes ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!
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Jed Byrne - Self-Publishing Your First Book
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David Guttman - Delegating Outcomes to AI with OpenClaw
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Nikki Cross - The Private Podcast Book Club
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Shawn Yeager - AI and the Billable Hour
Founder of Upshift, Shawn Yeager, joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about how AI is killing the billable hour and what professional services firms can do about it. Jonathan and Shawn dig into judgment versus execution, what firms should commercialize after AI, why cost-cutting is only the first move, and how agent workflows change what small and midsize firms can do.00:00 - Introduction01:54 - AI and the billable hour03:56 - The judgment sandwich05:19 - Strategy, execution, and hidden value09:06 - Client conversations about AI pressure13:26 - Validating AI output15:29 - Judgment, marketing, and cost of being wrong17:07 - AI transformation and commercialization20:08 - The hard parts big firms still need humans for22:20 - Cost recovery versus new offerings25:35 - Agents as extra employees26:40 - Interns versus chiefs of staff28:44 - Scaffolding agent workflows30:12 - From chatbots to delegated workflows37:00 - AI adoption inside firms42:01 - Closing remarksShawn Yeager runs Upshift, a firm focused on helping professional services firms understand what they sell after AI. His career has focused on emerging technology and getting it to market, including work on Microsoft's first browser team, the SaaS/cloud wave, mobile, Bitcoin, and AI. His background is in computer science, and his work has included sales, marketing, partnerships, consulting, Accenture, early-stage startups, and his own ventures. Learn more at upshiftco.com. (00:00) - Introduction (01:54) - AI and the billable hour (03:56) - The judgment sandwich (05:19) - Strategy, execution, and hidden value (09:06) - Client conversations about AI pressure (13:26) - Validating AI output (15:29) - Judgment, marketing, and cost of being wrong (17:07) - AI transformation and commercialization (20:08) - The hard parts big firms still need humans for (22:20) - Cost recovery versus new offerings (25:35) - Agents as extra employees (26:40) - Interns versus chiefs of staff (28:44) - Scaffolding agent workflows (30:12) - From chatbots to delegated workflows (37:00) - AI adoption inside firms (42:01) - Closing remarks ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!
Alain Chautard - Scaling Angular Certification
Angular expert Alain Chautard rejoined me on Ditching Hourly to share how he scaled his certification business through partnerships and automation.Jonathan and Alain talk about turning niche expertise into a certification business, reducing support demands, using expert partners across time zones and languages, negotiating a licensing-style partnership, and what happens when a soloist plugs their business into a larger organization.00:00 - Introduction and Welcome Back03:24 - Creating the Angular Certification Program07:00 - Automating Customer Support10:04 - Scaling with Global Partnerships12:08 - Handling Certification Interviews15:04 - Partnerships and Business Growth20:05 - Negotiating a Business Partnership24:38 - Email Marketing Journey36:51 - Exploring New Content Formats38:51 - Mastermind Groups for SoloistsAlain Chautard is a Google Developer Expert in Angular who does consulting, training, and conference/content work around the Angular framework. He created an Angular certification program after clients asked for proof of completion beyond a simple training certificate. His work now includes helping teams make architecture decisions, get up to speed with Angular, and scale the certification business through partnerships. Learn more at alainchautard.com. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!
Genevieve Hayes - Podcasting for Expertise-Based Businesses
Data science consultant and podcast host Genevieve Hayes joined me on Ditching Hourly to talk about podcasting as a boost for an expertise-based business.Chapters00:00 - Genevieve Hayes and Value-Driven Data Science02:27 - Committing to Start a Podcast05:35 - Simple Production Is Good Enough07:02 - First Guests and Inbound Momentum11:46 - The 100-Episode Surprises15:07 - Relationships Beat Direct Lead Gen18:12 - Pitching Guests and Building Luck Surface Area29:30 - Buyers, Peers, and Referral Paths34:58 - Almost Quitting, Seasons, and Persistence39:00 - Preparation, Editing, and Production Workflow42:18 - Editing as Learning and Content Fuel49:20 - What You Actually Need to Start58:20 - Guest Referrals, Swaps, and Live Formats68:40 - Podcasting vs. Writing for Trust78:30 - Landing Dream Guests and Wrap-UpGuest BioGenevieve Hayes is an actuary and statistician-turned-data scientist who helps organizations improve decision-making by quantifying uncertainty, often when data is sparse. She became a soloist in early 2022 and provides data science consulting services. She also mentors data professionals who want to transform their technical skills into strategic expertise and move from tactical execution to strategic advisory roles. Genevieve hosts Value-Driven Data Science, a podcast for practicing data professionals making that technical-to-strategic shift. Learn more at Value-Driven Data Science. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!
Carl Franklin - A Love Letter to Value Pricing
In this episode of Ditching Hourly, host Jonathan Stark welcomes Carl Franklin, co-host of the .NET Rocks podcast, to discuss the intricacies and benefits of value pricing. Listeners will gain insights into how value pricing can transform their business approach, moving away from the traditional hourly billing model.The conversation covers key topics such as the differences between fixed pricing and hourly billing, the importance of the "why" conversation with clients, and strategies for handling project changes. Carl shares his experiences with proposal options, client negotiations, and overcoming resistance to value pricing.(00:00) Introduction(00:15) Carl Franklin's Background(02:09) Early Podcasting Days(04:39) The Starbucks Card Story(05:44) Introduction to Value Pricing(07:06) Fixed Pricing vs. Hourly(08:01) The Why Conversation(08:45) First Experiences with Value Pricing(20:39) Proposal Options and Client Choices(23:09) Handling Project Changes(25:02) Partnering and Value Pricing(27:00) Payment Terms and Client Negotiations(40:59) Expertise and Pricing Strategy(41:52) Overcoming Resistance to Value Pricing(44:02) Collaborative Projects and Revenue Sharing(45:44) Carl's Current Projects and Podcasts(48:54) Closing RemarksCarl Franklin is a seasoned podcaster and developer, best known as the co-host of the .NET Rocks podcast, which has been a staple in the developer community since 2002. Learn more about Carl and his work at .NET Rocks. ----Do you have questions about how to improve your business? Things like:Value pricing your work instead of billing for your time?Positioning yourself as the go-to person in your space?Productizing your services so you never have to have another awkward sales call or spend hours writing another custom proposal?Book a one-on-one coaching call with me and get answers to these questions and others in the time it takes to get ready for work in the morning.Best of all, you're covered by my 100% satisfaction guarantee. If at the end of the call, you don't feel like it was worth it, just say the word, and I'll refund your purchase in full.To book your one-on-one coaching call, go to: https://jonathanstark.com/callI hope to see you there!