Professional mountain biker Payson McElveen sits down with some of the biggest names in sports and adventure to get an inside look at what sets them apart. With no script, the casual conversations are as diverse as the guests, with topics ranging from harrowing tales of survival, to debates on current events, to everyday tips and tricks and everything in between. As Payson travels the world for his two-wheeled day job, listen in as he rubs shoulders with and learns from some of the most inspiring athletes, entrepreneurs, academics, and others as they chase and inspire greatness.
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Anton Krupicka, mountain runner
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Joe Grant, ultra runner and underbiker
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Quinn Simmons, WorldTour cyclist
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Justin Williams, on recovering from injury and growing cycling in the US and abroad
Justin Williams, founder of L39ion Los Angeles and winner of eleven national titles, returns to the show to talk about recovering from shoulder surgery and his latest moves within the industry. He discusses his decision to focus on Belizean Nationals rather than US Nationals in the past two years and how he’s using his influence to grow the sport and support racers in the country. He and Payson also talk about franchising L39ion, whether he has plans to run for the UCI presidency, and NFTs.Instagram: @withpacepodcastYouTube: Payson McElveenEmail: howdy@withpace.cc
Sea Otter Recap, with Mo Wilson and Rob Britton
Payson is joined by two standout racers from last weekend’s Sea Otter Classic, Mo Wilson and Rob Britton. Mo won the race, beating a formidable field that included Olympians, national champions, and former WorldTour riders. Having made a mark on the gravel circuit in 2021, winning Big Sugar and placing second at the Leadville 100, her decisive victory at Sea Otter demonstrated her potential in other disciplines. Mo talks to Payson about her mindset going into the race, her childhood ski racing career, and how she only got into gravel racing during the pandemic. She also shares some breaking news about some big career moves she's making this year. Later in the episode, Payson is joined by Rob Britton, who finished eighth out of the Grand Prix roster and tenth overall. His result comes barely six months after announcing his retirement from a 12-year road racing career, six years of which he spent with Rally Cycling. He talks about why he decided to leave the WorldTour, being pleasantly surprised by his Sea Otter result, and why his 2022 racing schedule is more packed than ever. Payson also highlights some of the breakout rides from Sea Otter and discusses some of the implications for the Grand Prix.Instagram: @withpacepodcastYouTube: Payson McElveenEmail: howdy@withpace.cc