Professional mountain biker Payson McElveen sits down with some of the biggest names in sports and adventure to get an inside look at what sets them apart. With no script, the casual conversations are as diverse as the guests, with topics ranging from harrowing tales of survival, to debates on current events, to everyday tips and tricks and everything in between. As Payson travels the world for his two-wheeled day job, listen in as he rubs shoulders with and learns from some of the most inspiring athletes, entrepreneurs, academics, and others as they chase and inspire greatness.
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Dave Hagen, Director of Fort Lewis College cycling program
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Cole Paton, winner of The Mid South
Payson sits down with this year’s winner of The Mid South, Cole Paton to discuss his victory and unpack the race. Having spent much of his career winning collegiate XC titles and chasing the World Cup circuit, the 23-year-old was as surprised as anyone when his fitness and savvy tactics snagged him the top step at the season’s first major gravel race. Despite his decisive win, Cole says that self-doubt and low expectations followed him all the way to the finish line, even after his solo breakaway with only a few miles to go. He discusses the influence of his teammate and mentor, Dennis Van Winden during The Mid South and throughout his intensive preseason training. He also talks about graduating from college at the end of 2019 with several national titles to his name but without contract offers from any major teams. In 2020, as the pandemic shut down racing around the world, he considered quitting cycling altogether and moving back to his hometown in Washington. He credits his girlfriend and teammate Savilia Blunk with inspiring him to keep racing. He also tells Payson about how he's viewing his future now that he's pursuing a full gravel schedule, and the races outside of the Grand Prix lineup that he's most looking forward to.Instagram: @withpacepodcastYouTube: Payson McElveenEmail: howdy@withpace.cc
Keegan Swenson, mountain bike racer
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The Mid South preview with Ted King
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Jesse Melamed, enduro racer
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Lance Haidet, professional road and cyclocross racer
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Sam Pickman, Director of Product and Engineering at Allied Cycleworks
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Marley Blonsky, co-founder of All Bodies on Bikes
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Cam Wurf, WorldTour cyclist and Ironman triathlete for Ineos-Grenadiers
Cam Wurf started his athletic career in rowing, where he represented Australia at the 2004 Olympics, and went on to compete in road cycling for WorldTour teams including Cannondale-Liquigas. After retiring from the sport in 2015, he started racing triathlons, attaining 5th at the World Championship in 2019, and setting a World Record for the bike leg of the race. In 2020, he was lured back in to professional cycling at the highest level when Ineos Grenadiers came calling. He now leads an unprecedented dual career as a WorldTour cyclist and Ironman triathlete. In this conversation, Cam talks about why he's never wanted to be defined by one sport, the training camp with Chris Froome that brought him out of retirement, and why he isn't afraid to call himself "the original ruiner of gravel." Instagram: @withpacepodcastYouTube: Payson McElveenEmail: howdy@withpace.cc
Gretchen Reeves, former professional cyclist and CPA on managing finances as an athlete
Since leaving her career as a professional cross country mountain bike racer, Gretchen Reeves has worked as an accountant for athletes and self-employed people from the outdoor industry. In this interview, she offers some financial best practices for athletes just starting out, those who are already established pros, and anyone who wants to get more value out of their income. She talks about the ways self-employed people often overlook significant deductibles, how to set yourself up for a comfortable retirement, and mistakes she often sees people make in their financial planning. She also tells Payson about her career racing for Tokyo Joe's in the late 90s and early 2000s and her subsequent adventure racing career, which included the 2020 Eco-Challenge in Fiji. She talks about what it was like being on camera for the race, which was hosted by Bear Grylls and streamed on Amazon Prime.Instagram: @withpacepodcastYouTube: Payson McElveenEmail: howdy@withpace.cc
Ashton Lambie, track world record holder and gravel racer
In 2021, Ashton Lambie became the first person in history to ride 4000m in under four minutes. He completed the distance in 3:59.93, surpassing the previous record held by Filippo Ganna, the current time trial world champion. This was Ashton's third time to break the world record, which he had first held in 2018. He went on to win the individual pursuit at the Track World Championships two months later. Given this history, it is perhaps surprising that Ashton grew up racing gravel in Nebraska before discovering his talent for track racing. In this interview, Ashton tells Payson about his history in gravel and decision to break the four minute barrier on the track. He tries to explain the specific pain that a rider experiences at that speed, and the bike setup that allowed him to average 62km per hour (38.5mph). They also talk about his complicated relationship with gravel's competitive trajectory, and why he's decided to race the Grand Prix after spending years on the track. He also talks about his recent move to Houston where his partner is training to become a NASA astronaut. Instagram: @withpacepodcastYouTube: Payson McElveenEmail: howdy@withpace.cc
2022 Preview Q&A: listener questions, new sponsors, and events schedule
Payson answers listener questions about his upcoming 2022 season, including new and returning sponsors, his race schedule, and a few personal developments as well. He also shares some thoughts on the privateering model in gravel, and addresses what mountain bike he'll be riding this year. Instagram: @withpacepodcastYouTube: Payson McElveenEmail: howdy@withpace.cc
Molly Cameron, professional cyclocross racer and transgender athlete
For over two decades, Molly Cameron has been advocating for LGBTQ+ rights within cycling. In her career as a racer, she was banned early on from racing in the women's category, and was forced to race with the men. In 2015, she was briefly banned from racing in the men's cyclocross national championship when the rules were changed to require a person's gender to correlate with the gender on their driver's license. In this interview, she talks with Payson about being thrown into the spotlight after the outdoor community's reckoning with social justice issues in 2020 and 2021, after decades of advocating in relative anonymity. She talks about why she continues to fight for trans rights after so many years, what brings her hope, and how she plans to focus her mission in the coming years through her organization, Riders Inspiring Diversity and Equality (RIDE). She and Payson also talk about the controversy surrounding USA Cycling's decision not to remove anti-trans protestors as Cyclocross Nationals last month, and why the conversation surrounding trans women in sport cannot be limited to scientific data points.Link to International Olympic Committee guidelines on transgender athletes: https://olympics.com/ioc/documents/athletes/ioc-framework-on-fairness-inclusion-and-non-discrimination-on-the-basis-of-gender-identity-and-sex-variationsInstagram: @withpacepodcastYouTube: Payson McElveenEmail: howdy@withpace.cc